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I’d never heard the term before, but JD at A Penny Saved used it today.  Coupon Angel is a term that he uses (and maybe more people do as well?) to refer to people who leave an unused coupon for a product sitting on the shelf or near the product at the store.  If you, like JD, happen upon one you get a usable coupon for an item.  Kinda cool.

I’ve seen it happen but never had a term for it before.  Now I do.

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After my last two posts, and then this one, you must be beginning to think that this is P2P lending week here at Beating Broke.  I hadn’t intended it to be this way, but it just seems like that  is what’s on the brain and it’s getting a bit of buzz lately too.

Jim, from Bargaineering, wrote an article today about how risky peer-to-peer lending can be.  I completely agree.   But, he also made it sound like he thought that they should be avoided altogether.   And that I disagree with.

P2P lending is risky.  It’s just as risky as bank lending is for banks.  And look at the mess they found themselves in not too long ago.  But, as P2P lenders, we can learn a lesson from that.  First, you shouldn’t be investing your nest egg in anything this risky.  Once again, diversification is the key.  On a scale of risk, P2P lending lands somewhere on the risky side of stocks.  So, if you properly diversify, P2P should probably only make up about 2-5% of your portfolio. Also, the banks lent out way too much of their portfolios to way too many people that they really shouldn’t have.  If you’re careful about who you lend to, you should be able to significantly reduce the risk.  What that means is that you probably won’t be lending to to many people who will be paying 20% on their loans, and will be lending to more people who are paying in the 4-7% range.  That’s OK.

Why any at all?  Because the returns can be pretty good.  Depending on the model you take, your return can be in the 5% range.  The riskier loans you lend to, the higher the potential return.  Some of them are in the 20% range.   Of course, the caveat there is that those are also the most risky loans and the most likely to default.  And, much like in the banking world, if a borrower defaults on a loan, you will lose money.  You might manage to recover some of the money through collections, but it will only be a percent of what you lent out.

My advice?  (not that it’s worth much) Be cautious.  Don’t lend more than you can stand to lose, and keep the ratio of P2P investing pretty low in your diversified portfolio.  Do your research.  Lending to some 24 year old who is using the money to finance a class on real estate investing is probably not the best idea.  Chances are, that loan is headed for default.  On the other hand, lending to a mother/father of 3 who is going to use the money as a down payment on a house could be a safer loan.  In the comments of Jim’s post, he mentions that he doesn’t invest in anything that he doesn’t understand.  He doesn’t invest in options or futures because he doesn’t understand them either.  That’s a very valid point, but I think it really boils down to how much information you want.

I think if Jim wanted to, he could find all the information he wanted to learn how to use option and futures investing.  (note: I don’t understand them either and don’t invest in them.)  P2P lending is a bit of a different cookie though.  The bones of it are simple.  One person is lending money to another person.  In essence, as a lender, you are the bank.  Using the available data, you review the loan applications and decide on which ones have the least risk of default.  If you feel like taking on some riskier loans, you decide how risky and modify your acceptance practices to reflect.  Is there more to it than that?  Of course.  But, if you keep your wits and only dabble a little while you’re learning the ropes, you can learn all of the intricacies from trial and error while not losing your shirt.

As with anything, there is risk involved.  P2P lending has much more than most investing models.  If you are adverse to risk, you really should probably avoid it.  If not, get your feet wet.  And per the usual disclaimer, seek the advice of a professional before making any major decisions.

Update: It seems the original story that spawned all of this (here at The Big Money) caused a bit of a stir at Prosper.com headquarters.  They’re asking for a retraction and refuted the article with some of their own facts.

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If you’re interested in investing in peer-to-peer lending, Lending Club is offering $40 to new investors.  I’m not sure how long it will last, but worth a try if you have been thinking about it.

I’m not sure if this will work, but here’s the referral link that they send in the email.  That should get you the $40.  If not, I can manually send the email from their system as well.

Lending Club Link for $40 for new referrals

As far as I know, I don’t get anything out of this, so I’m not trying to make a buck or anything.  (note that the Lending club banners on this site are affiliate links however, so I will earn a referral fee if you click through one of those.  But, I don’t think you’ll get the $40.)

Part of the reason that I’ve been tinkering with Lending Club is that they have a secondary market for the loans.  What that means is that I can bypass the restrictions on state of residence and actually invest in a few loans again.  I’m transferring the money that I transferred out of Prosper.com into my Lending Club account and giving the secondary market a try.

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Very nearly since it’s inception, I’ve been a big fan of the peer-to-peer lending site Prosper.com.  I have several active loans that I’ve lent to there and, despite my less than conservative lending practices, have even managed to still be in the black.  Recently, however, Prosper went through some stuff with the SEC that, while good for the company, was horrible for me.

At the conclusion of their dancing with the SEC, I am no longer able to use their site.  You see, the state that I live in, no longer allows them to operate here.  I’m not sure exactly why.  All I know is that they are not allowing me to bid on loans because of the state that I live in.

So, today, I transferred all the available money in my Prosper account out to my checking at ING Direct, and will use it to pay for something else.  It’s sad really, but such is life.  I just find myself missing the ability to make use of such a great site.  I’ve looked into replacing it with a couple of other sites with similar programs, but each has the same restriction in regards to my state.

I still recommend the site if you can make use of it though.  Both for lenders and for borrowers.  It’s a great service and a great idea.

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One of the side effects of my wife’s entrepreneurial adventures has been that we have a very unstable income on her side of the balance sheet.  And part of how we’ve dealt with that is to try and save money in as many ways as we can.  Frugality has become the modus operandi in our household.

Anyone with kids will tell you that there are certain things that you cannot go without.  For example, kids need clothes, and lots of them.  They’ll go through several outfits a day depending on the messiness of their meals and the level of dirt outside.  Kids like to have toys too!  And being frugal and buying your kids toys don’t always go together.

But, we found a site that helps us a little with both.  It’s called swapmamas.com and it is pretty darn cool.  In a nutshell, it is a social networking site for moms where they gather together and swap/barter for items.  Say we have  some formula left over after our youngest moves up to real food.  We can list the sealed cans on swapmamas.  Another mama comes along and uses that formula, and has some clothes that will fit one of our kids.  Or some DVD movies that her kids no longer watch.  She offers the trade to us, we accept and all that’s left is the shipping.  We pay for the shipping for  the formula, and the other mama pays for the shipping for whatever it is that she traded us for.  She gets a can of formula that she can use and that would have done absolutely nothing for us except sit on a shelf and we get a new movie or some new(ish) clothes.  Win Win.

Swapmamas.com is worth a look if you’ve got kids and want to try and be frugal as well.  It might even be worthwhile if you don’t have kids.  I can’t attest to that since I would have never known the site existed if it weren’t for having kids.

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Last update, I told you that the COBRA health insurance plan premium went through the roof and we were deciding whether to continue paying for it, or to switch over to the plan that I get at work.  In the end, we decided to remain on the COBRA plan.  The difference was about $350 a month, but we figured that if we had only one or two medical mishaps, it would easily pay for itself with the 100% coverage.  And, as luck would have it, it turned out to be a good idea.  Both my wife and I ended up having issues that required several weeks of physical therapy.  Hers stems from an accident she had a few years back that seems to have thrown a few things off.  Nothing some pt and a pair of orthotics won’t fix.  Mine is from my football days.  Arguably, not completely necessary, but was something that would need to be fixed one way or the other, so decided to get it taken care of.  Then, to make our decision look even smarter, my wife fell in the ice and snow yesterday and severely sprained her ankle and knee and prompted a visit to the ER.  We got a nice new pair of crutches and what will likely be a very expensive pair of athletic wraps.  Of course, all paid for by our insurance.  The extra money has easily paid for itself.  But, that all ends on the 1st, so we’re switching back to the coverage that I get at work.

The business that my wife and her friends started continues to do well.  They received a very important certification from the state that will allow them to pick up another line of business and expand even further.  My wife continues to be the only one getting a regular paycheck from the company, but with this new certification, that will likely change very soon.  Luckily, the people that she’s working with are both very qualified for the business that they are in and have plenty of experience (my wife does to) so they don’t have much in the way of learning curves for the actual service that they provide.  Their biggest learning curve has been the actual running of the business.  They were smart and got a lawyer and an accountant right away though, so they’ve had excellent guidance along the way.

Also, I did receive a small raise this year which should help.  However, between the insurance and some increases in medical flex and childcare flex, my checks will likely be smaller than they were in 2009.  Most of that should come back through the flex accounts.  Tax free money for the win.  Especially on things like childcare that you’re going to spend money on anyways!

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You likely remember questions like this one from your high school classes.  Or your college philosophy classes.  Well, here’s another one.

What if time wasn’t an issue.  What if we knew that we would live to be 200 years old?  Would we still act the way that we do?  Would we still work the same way at the same company doing the same job?  Would we run, run, run until we couldn’t anymore?

Or would we, instead, realize that we had that much longer to achieve our goals and slow down a bit.  Would we pursue more of our passions and less of our profits?

I’m not so sure that anything would change.  I think there would still be people who work 80 hour weeks trying to make as much money as they possibly can so they can have that big McMansion and the Lexus.  And there would still be people who embrace their passions and don’t worry about where the next buck is coming from, only that they are doing the things that they love.

What do you think would change?  How would you handle it differently?

I’ll refrain from assigning an 2000 word essay, but I would like to know what you think.  Leave your thoughts in the comments or write an article of your own in response.

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Gluttony is all around us.  I’m as guilty of it as you likely are.  The most classical example of gluttony is the act of eating much more than you need.  It leads to obesity, which is a rampant problem in this country.  Gluttony is described as the excessive indulgence in food and drink.

But, since this is a personal finance blog, let’s expand that description a bit and talk about financial gluttony. In fact, lets get down right philosophical about it.

The excessive indulgence of money. It may not be an official one of the 7 deadly sins, but it certainly is one of the deadly sins of personal finance.  It’s the rampant consumerism that often runs wild in our society.  Especially around this time of year.  We spend and spend and only stop when our credit runs out.  We give little thought to what the resulting consequences will be of our spending.  Over spending, over extending, gluttonous use of money.

The excessive indulgences of finance.  I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that many of you have probably not thought of this side of the argument.  What I’m talking about is the gluttonous use of financial maxims to save and perform frugal acts.  Moderation is good for all things, even the stuff that is good for us.  You’ll garner no argument from me that saving money and being frugal are good things.  But, it is possible to take it too far.  Making soup by boiling your old belts, not because you can’t afford food, but because it’ll save a buck or two is finance gluttony.  Ok, that’s a pretty extreme example, but you get the point.

What I really want to get at here is that there are extremes for everything.  If we eat too much we get fat.  If we spend too much we get broke.  If we save too much, we fail to appreciate what our money can do for us.  So, the next time you’re doing your budget or even just balancing your checkbook, take the time to think about that.  Are you being financially gluttonous?

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An advertisement that I received prompted me to think about the term “Limited Edition”.  As consumers we are conditioned to believe that if something is called “limited edition” that it must be more valuable.  After all, it is “limited”, which implies that it is scarce.  It implies that the supply of the item has a limit.  It also implies that you really should buy it now since it won’t be available after all of the current “limited edition” are sold.

However, in truth, it’s most likely not all that “limited”.  It’s just propaganda, folks. A sales tactic designed to make you not only buy the item, but also pay more for it than you should.

If you really, truly, think about it, anything that is being made can be called a “limited edition”. Every model of car that rolls off of the production line is limited.  They only make so many a year.  Get yours now!  This article is a limited edition.  At some point I will stop writing articles.  There won’t be any more.  The supply is limited!  Which is why you should pay me now!  Just kidding.  Kinda.

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I’ve long been a fan of ING Direct.  The ease of use of their accounts is unbeatable in any other bank that I’ve tried.  I’ve never had to use it, but I’ve been told that the customer service there is top-notch as well.  Now, today, I’ve read from Consumerism Commentary that the ING Direct branch of the ING company is going to be sold off sometime between now and 2013.

Apparently, the European company that owns the US based ING Direct took some bailout money from the European government and, as part of it’s repayment, is being required to sell of the ING Direct part of their business.  Unfortunately, there don’t appear to be too much in the way of details as to whom they may be sold to or what may happen to the bank after it is sold.  Much like Flexo, my main concerns revolve around whether the new owner will maintain the same offices, workforce, and overall quality of service that we’ve all come to love.  My understanding was that ING Direct has weathered the storm pretty well and should be an attractive purchase for many banks stateside.

I guess, at this point, all we can do is cross our fingers and hope for the best.

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