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Lending Club Return Update 2Q13

August 5, 2013 By Shane Ede 5 Comments

Lending Club is a peer-to-peer lending service.  People (like you and me) sign up for their site, and list a loan to be funded by investors (like you and me).  I like to think of it as replacing the bank in a loan with me.  (Except I’m not “too big to fail”.)  Of course, with that comes the same risks that the bank assumes when it issues a loan.  There’s a risk of late payments, missed payments, and default and it’s associated collection activities.  Luckily, Lending Club and Prosper (another p2p lending site) take care of most of the paperwork for the lenders (and borrowers).  This post is the second quarter update on my Lending Club account, and the return I’m getting on my money.

If you’d like to catch up a little, here’s links to the last few quarterly updates. (1Q13, 4Q12, 3Q12)

Beating Broke Lending Club Update

First Lending Club Default

I’ve been mentioning in the last several updates how lucky I’ve been that I haven’t had a loan go into default yet.  Well, that streak ended recently.  I knew it was only a matter of time before one of the notes defaulted, and one has.  Luckily, the loan that defaulted was a small one, and my portfolio has grown enough that the value of the default didn’t really affect the account too much.  The value of the defaulted loan is about 1% of my Lending Club portfolio.

There’s also a loan that is in the 31-120 days late category, that has the possibility of going to default, but at this point, the borrower is making attempts to pay the loan.  The reason it’s still in the late category at all is because the most recent payment was only a partial payment.  This loan is a larger loan than the defaulted one, so I may have to consider taking the loss on it and selling it at a discount to get it off my books.

Diligent Reinvestment

One of the things that I like most about Lending Club, and p2p lending as a whole, is that you get a relatively high churn on your money.  It’s not a buy-and-hold scenario, per se.  Yes, you invest in a note with the expectation of holding that note until it is fully paid off, but, as the payments come in monthly, that money is available for reinvestment.  In my 1Q13 update, I mentioned that I’d been a bit lazy in my reinvestment of those funds.  I was slightly better with that in the second quarter, and was able to keep most of the money pretty actively invested.

[Tweet “I knew it was only a matter of time before one of the notes defaulted, and one has.”]

Passive Income from Lending Club

Many people (myself included) call p2p investing a form of passive income.  While not strictly meeting the criteria in that it does still require some activity on the investors part, it’s pretty close.  Maybe we need to start defining passive income in terms of it’s passivity?  Something like levels.  Each level is achieved by it’s decile of passivity.  For instance, I think p2p investing could be somewhere around 90-95% passive.  That would make it a Level 9 Passive Income source.  With about 15 minutes of work a month, I’ve earned almost $60 in interest payments as of the end of June of 2013.  Last year, with the same amount of work, I earned $75.37 in interest payments.  If I had significantly more money, that amount would be larger, but I think that the time spent each month to earn it would be a bit larger as well.  Still, a pretty close to passive means of making some money.

Lending Club Return Update

We’ve talked about most of the rest of the account, but the title did say that it was a return update, right?  Yes.  In my 1Q13 update, I mentioned that the rate of return then was being shown as 14.63%.  As of 8/3/13, it’s being displayed as 14.08%.  The combination of the defaulted loan, and the payoff of a couple of higher interest paying notes is bringing the rate down.  I’ve been happy with the return I’ve been getting, but I truly think that a more reasonable expectation of return is somewhere in the 10-13% range.  I’ll take the 14%+ returns I’ve been getting though.

Click here to learn more about how I select my Lending Club investments.

Overall, I’ve been really happy with my results at Lending Club.  And, with the p2p lending industry as a whole issuing over 200 Million in loans in July, it would appear that there are plenty of other happy users too.

Have you gotten your feet wet in p2p lending?  Why or why not?

Shane Ede

I started this blog to share what I know and what I was learning about personal finance. Along the way I’ve met and found many blogging friends. Please feel free to connect with me on the Beating Broke accounts: Twitter and Facebook.

You can also connect with me personally at Novelnaut, Thatedeguy, Shane Ede, and my personal Twitter.

www.beatingbroke.com

Filed Under: Investing, loans, Passive Income Tagged With: lending club, lending club returns, p2p investing, p2p lending, p2p lending club, peer to peer investing, peer to peer lending, prosper

Can You Fund Your Own Lending Club Loan?

July 25, 2012 By Shane Ede 16 Comments

In order to be both a borrower and a lender at Lending Club, you have to open two accounts.  With two accounts, can your lender account fund your borrower account’s loan?

One of the things that I occasionally do to find new ideas to write about is to go through the referral logs and look at the search queries that have clicked through to the site.  One such query was “Lending Club can you fund your own loan”.

I want to be upfront with you.  I haven’t asked Lending Club for an official policy on this.  If I had to guess (which I’m doing now) I’d say that they don’t allow it.  At first, I couldn’t figure out why someone would even want to fund their own loan.  The only thing that I can come up with is to perform some sort of arbitration.  Saving some money on interest rates while paying yourself a bit of interest as well.

While that might sound like a good idea, it probably isn’t.  First, if you’re using the loan to pay off higher interest rate debts, you’d be better off just using the cash you’re planning on using to fund your loan to pay down the debt you already have.  Instant savings equal to the interest rate of the debt.  No need to worry about breaking rules, just instant savings.

The more compelling reason you probably don’t want to fund your own loan on a P2P lending site like Lending Club is all the fees and taxes you’ll end up having to pay.  First, you’ll pay an origination fee on the loan.  This could be anywhere from 1% – 5.5% of the loan depending on the credit “grade” of your loan.  Next, you’ll pay fees on every payment that you pay yourself, further eating into any advantage.  Finally, when tax time comes around, you’ll pay taxes on the interest income on the lending account.

The combination of the fees you’ll incur through Lending Club, and your effective tax rate will, in most cases, completely erase any benefit you might see from paying the interest to yourself.  It just doesn’t make sense.

So, can you fund your own Lending Club loan?  I can’t think of a good reason why you’d want to.

Want to know how I suggest you use Lending Club investing?  Check out my 2Q12 Lending Club results.

 

Shane Ede

I started this blog to share what I know and what I was learning about personal finance. Along the way I’ve met and found many blogging friends. Please feel free to connect with me on the Beating Broke accounts: Twitter and Facebook.

You can also connect with me personally at Novelnaut, Thatedeguy, Shane Ede, and my personal Twitter.

www.beatingbroke.com

Filed Under: Investing, loans, ShareMe Tagged With: lending club, p2p investing, p2p lending, p2p lending club

Lending Club Returns 1Q2012 Update

April 18, 2012 By Shane Ede 15 Comments

If you’ve been following along, you know that I’ve been performing a bit of an experiment.  I’ve been taking 10% of my earnings from this and other online ventures and splitting it evenly between Lending Club and Sharebuilder accounts.  The idea was to see what kind of returns I could get from the two, and to test for stability.  I’ve been running the experiment for a little over 6 months now, and I’m calling it done.  The difference has been so drastic, that I don’t think there’s any point in running it any longer.

In short, Lending Club is kicking Sharebuilder’s butt.  Really, the only thing that the Sharebuilder account has going for it is that the chance of default on any of the investments is extremely low.  So, I suppose that it is possible that in 5 or so years, the gains on the Sharebuilder account could potentially be better.  However, as I’m about to show you, the short term results are strongly in Lending Club’s favor.

My Lending Club Returns

As of today, Lending Club is telling me that I’m seeing a return of 13.15% on my account.  My Sharebuilder account is currently reporting a return of -16.42%.  It doesn’t take a math major to come to the conclusion that Lending Club is performing far better.  To date, with a bit over 2 years of total history, I haven’t had a default in my Lending Club account.  I’m pretty sure that has more to do with just getting lucky, than with any effort of my own. Some other interesting numbers, besides the return: The portfolio has grown enough that it brings in enough in principle + interest payments to reinvest monthly now.  The monthly interest gains, as of the end of March, have now exceeded $4 monthly.  It’s not much, but it’s been fun watching that number grow.

My Lending Club Portfolio

Open a Lending Club AccountWhen I first started out investing in my LC account, I was investing in mostly A, B, and C investments.  I’ve recently shifted that to be mostly C and D investments. Why?  Well, as I mentioned in my post on selecting Lending Club investments, I have to purchase my investments through their trading platform rather than directly invest in the loans.  What that means is that in most cases, I have to absorb a small percentage of profit to the original investor.  So, a loan that has an actual interest rate of 14% might only return 11% to me because I bought it at a higher price than what it was worth in principle at the time.  Because of that, I have to invest in the higher grade loans in order to maintain a higher return rate.  But, I’m OK with that.  Even the worst graded loans that LC has are still well above what a traditional bank or credit union would lend to.  And, at less than $25 per investment, I can afford to take the risk.  I’ve diversified the account so that one or two defaults isn’t going to destroy the account.  Sidenote: If you can buy your LC loans directly, I suggest you check out Peter at SocialLending.net’s post on how he’s investing in 2012. He’s got several filters and some interesting insight into how he’s set up his investing that are worth the read.  They’re somewhat useless to me because of the way I have to invest, but will be useful to someone who can invest directly.

Lending Club, Going Forward

With the end of the “experiment”, I’m now putting the full 10% that I had been splitting into my Lending Club account.  The overall total for the account is still at less than 3% of my overall investment portfolio (including retirement investments), but it is growing.  At some point, I’ll have to decide if I want to continue to add to the account or not, but with the returns that I’m getting, and the luck I’ve had in the default area, I can’t see wanting to stop investing in the account.

Have you given Lending Club a try yet?  How have your returns been?  What’s your default rate?

Shane Ede

I started this blog to share what I know and what I was learning about personal finance. Along the way I’ve met and found many blogging friends. Please feel free to connect with me on the Beating Broke accounts: Twitter and Facebook.

You can also connect with me personally at Novelnaut, Thatedeguy, Shane Ede, and my personal Twitter.

www.beatingbroke.com

Filed Under: Investing Tagged With: lending, lending club, lending club returns, p2p lending, p2p lending club

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