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Bye, Bye Pension; Your Opinion Needed

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We were recently told that our defined benefits plan was being taken away.  For those that are confused, a defined benefits plan is what is normally called a pension.  For me, I haven’t been around long enough for it to really affect me.  Some, who have been around for a very long time and are nearing retirement, it will mean a rather significant chunk of the money that they thought they would have for retirement will be gone.  To their credit, our employer is doing it the right way.

Rather than just declaring the fund bankrupt, or letting it run until it was bankrupt, they’ve decided to shut it down gracefully.  What that means is that those of us who are vested in the plan will receive a payout of the amount we have vested.  And, as part of that, we need to decide what to do with that money.  We have four options:

  1. Buy an Annuity.  Annuities basically work like this: You give them a lump sum of money, and they agree to pay you a monthly amount back.  The total of the payments is equal to some amount greater than the amount that you gave them.  It’s usually based on current interest rates.
  2. Roll the money into the company 401(k).  I’m already participating in the 401(k), so this would be a logical place to go with it.
  3. Roll the money into an IRA.  Also a logical way to use the money.  Could be rolled over into a Roth IRA as well.  Either way, I have far more control of the money than I would in my 401(k).  Also, I don’t believe I’d have to worry about IRA Contribution Limits if I roll it over.
  4. Take a cash payout.  They’d just write me a check, minus the 10% early withdrawal penalty from the IRS.

I’ve ruled out option 1 as it doesn’t make any sense to do with the interest rates where they are.  Most likely, I’ll be using option 2.  But, I just can’t come to a concrete solution.  If I take option 2, I add a significant amount of money to my 401(k).  More is always better.  But, I have no more control of that money than I do with the current money that’s in there. Wall Street's Cut of Your 401(k) Pie If I take option 3, I still retain the same amount of money in a retirement account, plus I have far more control of where the money is invested than I do in the 401(k).  That’s also the con of this option though.  I’m no investment expert.  I could look to invest in a stocks and shares ISA but as a general rule, most of the investments I’ve made aren’t all that great.  Which means it would have to be limited to EFTs and Mutuals which doesn’t afford that much more control than in the 401(k).  The final option would be to take the money in a check.  The big downside there is that the IRS takes 10% off the top as a penalty.  Then, it’s counted as income which gets taxed as income.  In our tax bracket, that could mean an extra 15% in tax liability.  If it bumps us up into a new bracket, it could mean some of it could be 25% in tax liability.  So, I’d pay an instant (or nearly so) 25-35% if I took a check.  But, that still means I would receive a lump sum of several thousand dollars.  That money could be used to pay off at least one credit card, if not two, and alleviate some of the monthly burden that our debt gives us.

I know that the safest (rightest) answer is to put it into one of the retirement accounts, but having the cash to dump some of our debt would also be very advantageous.

What would you do?  If you were in my situation, would you play it safe and roll the money into your 401(k)?  Would you take the cash and pay something off to reduce your monthly expenses?  Tell me how you would handle this!

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401(k) Loans as Recession Insurance?

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With a recession (depending on whom you ask) upon us, would it have been wise for us to have taken a loan from our 401(k)s before it started?  Bear with me here for a second.  A loan from your 401(k) is pretty simple.  You borrow the money from yourself and then repay it to the 401(k) with interest.  The interest is usually something low.  Normally, it’s a bad idea, as the market usually performs as well, if not better, than the interest on the loan.

But, if (and that’s a big if) you were able to time the market relatively well to know there was going to be a downturn, you could loan the money to yourself.  Because the money would not be in the account, it wouldn’t suffer from the loss of value in your investments.  And instead, you’d gain whatever the interest rate was that you loaned the money for.  Instead of a double digit loss, you could have a relatively decent gain.  In theory it could work.

In theory.  The catch here is that you would have to time the market correctly.  If you missed it by a day, you could cost yourself some money.  If you were totally wrong and the market rallied, you’d end up missing out on possible gains.  But, if it worked, it could work out pretty well.  In the end, the more I look at it, it’s really a form of gambling.  You’re gambling that you can time the market and save your money.

Gambling is never a safe bet when it comes to your retirement.  It’s always tempting though.  It’s important to remember that a fall like we had over the last few years almost always comes back up.  You haven’t really lost money so much as lost value.  There’s a big difference there.  And if you keep contributing, which you should, you’re buying the very same investments at a bargain price.  So, instead of trying to minimize your losses by pulling your money out, you should be increasing your investment to maximize your return when the account finally bounces back up.

You Are Not Losing Money In Your 401(k)!

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I was watching my local news when they did a spot on people who were vacationing a little closer to home this holiday season because of the economy or other reasons when one of the people who they interviewed blamed their need for staying closer to having lost money in her 401(k).  Besides the fact that that money is, for all intents and purposes, off limits until you retire, and really has no effect on your current financial standing, how do you lose money in your 401(k)?

Did it get misplaced?

I’m being a bit facetious here to prove a point.  To lose money implies that the money is no longer yours.  Except that the majority of your “money” in a 401(k) isn’t actually money.  It’s shares of companies or mutual funds or index funds or ETFs.  You aren’t losing money.  You’re losing value.  The securities that you purchased with your money are not as valuable as they were when you bought them.  You still own the same amount of securities, which you converted your money to, so you still have all of your money.  It’s the value that you’ve lost.

Better example.  You buy a car for $10,000.  After driving the car for 5 years, you sell it for $5000.  Did you lose $5000 on the car?  Not really.  Very few people will think of it that way.  Because most people do not assume that they will gain value in a car, so they accept that they will not be able to sell the car for the same amount they bought it for.  And it is almost guaranteed that it won’t gain any value.  Again, though, you lost value, not money.

Losing value isn’t as bad as losing money. Why? Because, unless you need to realize that value immediately, you have time to wait and see if the value does go up.  And with securities, chances are that they will.  And in a locked up instrument like a 401(k) with all it’s penalties to discourage realizing that value until retirement, many of us have decades to wait and see how things turn out.  And, if I were a betting man (which I am sometimes), I would put pretty good odds on my 401(K) gaining value between now and when I need to withdraw any of it.

Note: I don’t encourage waiting to see if the value of your car will go up.  Unless you plan on waiting decades for that also in hopes that it will become a classic collectable.